Are you constantly drained, overwhelmed, or just not yourself lately? If you are an empath, introvert, or highly sensitive entrepreneur, you may be unknowingly absorbing energies that don't belong to you. And it's sabotaging your wellbeing and your business. In this powerful episode, master psychic and energy healer, Lisa Campion, shares practical, soul aligned ways to clear your energy, set healthy boundaries, and stay grounded even in the most challenging situations. Stay with us to the end because Lisa offers simple daily practices and a free gift, a full program, that can help you protect your energy and thrive. welcome to Break Free From the Burnout. This is for you if you're a purpose-driven entrepreneur who's ready to make a real difference in the world. Despite doing all the right strategies and tactics, something hidden is slowing your success. You're listening to Dr. Anastasia Chopelas physicist Turn to Energy Healer, your Guide through the quantum shifts that create real world results so you can grow your business with more impact, income, and ease without burning out. Listen in Your next breakthrough starts now. Are we ready, Percy? We gonna behave? Okay. Okay. Today I have a very special guest joining us. Lisa Campion is a master, psychic renowned energy healer and bestselling author. With over 30 years of experience helping people awaken their intuitive gifts and protect their precious energy. Through her books, the Art of Psychic Reiki and Energy Healing for Empaths, Lisa empowers empaths and sensitives to live soul aligned, vibrant lives. If you've ever wondered how to shield yourself from energy vampires, trust your inner voice and stay aligned in a noisy, demanding world, you're absolutely in the right place. I'm so happy to welcome you to the show, Lisa. Oh, I'm so glad to be here. Thank you for having me on your podcast. I'm really excited for this episode because so many empaths and introverted entrepreneurs struggle with staying energetically clear and grounded. How can someone recognize when they're carrying energies that aren't theirs, and what can they do to shift back into alignment? that's such a great question. And I think that, the short answer is we don't feel well, like you might feel very tired, you feel exhausted, maybe depressed or bogged down. if you have that experience after you had a meeting or after you had a connection with somebody, you might have picked up some of their energy and. I think a lot of us are realizing we're empaths and, understanding what it means to be a highly sensitive person. And I think at that point, so I know if I need to lie down and take a nap, or I just even wanna lie down and take a nap or out of the blue, I don't feel like myself and that catch myself saying I don't feel like myself, I'm not myself today. when we say that, that's a really, good, indicator that we're. tired, exhausted, cranky, all those things that we might have picked up energy that doesn't belong to us. A really simple energy clearing practice that anyone can do. I use breathing, really deep inhale. Really, really deep exhale with the intention of clearing the energy that doesn't belong to me. But I also love running to the ladies room, washing my hands and saying with this water, with this soap, I'm washing away the energy that. doesn't belong to me. It's a really good little ritual. And then combining that with a really, really deep exhale, like I'm just letting it all go. And I do those little mini resets in between clients, like when I start feeling bogged down. Before I go into Costco, halfway through Costco, when I get out of Costco and otherwise, otherwise halfway through Costco, I'm like curl in the fetal position. Like I don't remember my name or where I parked my car. Yeah, Costco has that frenetic energy, doesn't it? Yeah. So I think it's, once you know that's what it is, and I mean, I think it's such a relief because you might go from feeling like. What's wrong with me to Oh yeah. It's just, it's that, right? Yeah. And it's not us, it's, we're just absorbing others, other stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So you speak often about the importance of energetic boundaries for those who feel guilty, setting limits, especially with clients, coworkers, or families. How can they start building stronger energetic walls without feeling like they're being mean or selfish? Yeah, that's a really great question and it is hard for us sensitive types to do that. First of all, I can tell you that as contrary as it seems, when we set boundaries, people respect you. And think about the people in your life that, you know, set very clean. And there's a way to set boundaries that are very nice. We can still be kind, we can still be compassionate. We don't have to be mean, to do it. but when we're really clear with our yeses and our nos, it makes us trustworthy. It brings respect, and if you put yourself in on the other, like the shoe on the other foot. So imagine a time when you asked, requested something from somebody and they said yes. You knew they didn't wanna say yes. And then it's get, it gets weird, it feels murky. You're like, Ooh. Then you feel guilty and strange. It creates this like weird tension in the relationship. And you're like, why didn't they just say no? Because that would be clear, So put yourself on the, in the, on the other end of that, and you'll just see, no matter which end of that you're on, it doesn't feel good. So you're actually not doing, uh, people favors by not honoring your own boundaries, and especially if your tendency is to be in codependent or enabling type relationships. if you have kids, like you don't do your kids' homework for them, right? You say no. People don't learn if you are like. The thing about codependence is people that are in those relationships don't even realize what's happening. Yeah. They just do it because that's how everybody's always done it and they're, they're stuck and their energy is stuck, especially if you're an introvert or an empath or you're highly sensitive. Any one of those things, when you're caught in those kinds of relationships, it's really difficult. So those clearing exercises that you just, uh, described are perfect for everybody. It doesn't matter who. Yes, that's right. Yeah. And then you'll start to, I think people will start to realize that they're in one of those relationships.'cause they'll feel so much better after that clearing. And then they're going, Hey, wait, what just happened? Yeah, as empaths and sensitives, we're really like naturally attuned to feel what other people need and then provide that. So it can be quite hard for us to feel what we need, what do I need, what do I want, that's hard. And for me, I have to get in a room by myself and do that energy clearing and just kind of cut cords, cut energetic ties with the person who's asking me for something and just be like, yeah, well, I need a minute alone to really feel what I want and need. So I've really learned to not say yes in the moment. I always say, okay, I, I'll get back to you in 24 hours. I, or I'll get back to you tomorrow. I'll get back to you on Friday, whatever it is. Because I, I, if I know, if I say yes in the moment, it's not really a real Yes, most of the time. Yeah. That's really, really powerful advice for everybody to think about it if, especially if they end up feeling overwhelmed a lot. Yeah. By all the stuff that they're being. That people are asking of them when they feel that overwhelmed all the time. Then just saying, let me think about it, is the best. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that. Yeah. And I think we really need a lot of really nice ways to say no, you know, so no thank you and you know, oh, I'd so love to help you with that, but my, right now, my calendar's just so overbooked. I just don't have a bandwidth for that. Yeah. Um. I, I use that one a lot. Yeah. Right. And it's so, it's true. And the person on the receiving end of that is like, oh, she's so nice and she can't do it, so I love what, just what my grandmother taught me. No, thank you, is a very solid answer. And, um. It's kind of my go-to. But I think coming up with like five of those and practicing them. Look at your eye in the mirror. Go in the mirror. Look yourself in the eye. Say them over and over again until you can hold your own eye contact and smile while you say it. And, and then you can pull it out when you need it, you know? Yeah. And some people they get me on the phone and they just wanna keep going. So then I go, Ooh, I have a hard stop in five minutes. Yes. And exactly. So that that also helps. So I know for myself, energy vampires are a real challenge, especially in the entrepreneurial space. What are some practical strategies you recommend for recognizing and managing draining people without losing your compassion or your energy? I think it's a lot about what we just talked about. So recognizing them, I, I know that if I cross, cross my arms over my solar plexus when I'm around somebody, it's a sure sign that they're, I don't feel safe around them. And they're kind of like hooking. They're energetically hooking me. And, and when we do that kind of cover cover up thing, I'm like, oh, this person may maybe draining my energy. I just wanna give humanity the benefit of the doubt and say like. 80% of the time people don't know they're doing 90% of the time they don't know they're doing it. Especially if you're working in a service industry. Um, people are just, just, they just need stuff. we're needy, we're hustling, Our clients are looking for something from us that, that we're trying to provide. And they're not intentionally like, oh, I just think I'm gonna wake up this morning and drain the life out of Lisa today. Yay. Like, that's not really what they're thinking about. Um, some of them are, I mean, that we have the predatory like, Psychopathic people who do that, and they're scary, but that's a small amount of people. When we do run into them, the, the real predatory vampires, I call them psychopaths, sociopaths, and they, they'll, they'll do it for fun. Um, and they know they're doing it when we're around them, we can get that kind of fear response, so paying attention to your intuition. Do your hackles raise, do you dread seeing somebody? some of them, some of them are really seductive to us. They're quite charming. Yeah, they're charming. They're. Seductive. They say things that just make you feel, Ooh, ooh. Yeah. And then later, and then later you find out that they've spotted your energy. It somehow they're attracted to it and Yeah. Want to want to glom onto it. We're like batteries where, and they're gonna drain the battery. That's how it goes. Yeah. Perfect, perfect analogy. Yeah. the people that are draining us. They, and as you said, they don't realize it. It's because nobody has ever told them they have their own source. Right. They don't know how to, hardly anyone knows how to source their own energy. Yeah. You, you know, we just are constantly stealing it from each other all the time because it's the only thing that we, I. Know how to do. Until we learn and you know, we learn, we can connect with the earth energy, we can connect with divine energy, solar energy, our own internal energy, all these energy sources that are available. And again, going back to energy management, right? So part of energy management is sourcing your own energy or if you do reiki, like reiki is a never ending supply of universal life force energy and giving do, having a self reiki practice is a beautiful way to source your own energy, self-care, like you just have to take care of you. Like all the things that as we travel further along the spiritual path become obvious and become our habits, hopefully. but not everybody knows that, or they haven't learned that yet, so we're just always most of the time unconsciously stealing energy from each other. Yeah. Yeah. So learning to trust intuition can feel like walking a tightrope between the deep knowing and the constant self-doubt. I know that there are days that I, that I wake up with self-doubt and I'm going, wait, what? So what are some small, but powerful practices that can help sensitives strengthen their intuitive connection every day? There's a couple of things I think that are really good there. One of them is if you're triggered, if you're feeling triggered, it's never your intuition. If you're triggered, if you're reactive, if you're in anxiety. Um, which self-doubt is like a form of anxiety. That's not intuition. That's, it's your inner child or it's your, some sensitive vulnerable part that needs maybe a little love and healing, you know, and maybe like rising out of trauma or, something that needs attending to with love. And I always know if it has this energetic charge, it's not real intuition, right? Or an emotional charge. It's not real intuition. But I think there are practices like I, I love a journal practice and one of the first things I tell people to do is start journaling. Get a journal, call it your psychic journal. I actually published one called The Psychic Awakening Journal, but you can use any old journal and just start writing down, recording your dreams. And if you pull cards, put 'em in there. Any signs and omens that you see, any hunches, nudges, intuitive hits. Anytime you, you have like a first impression when you meet somebody.'cause those things are. A lot of times they're very strong in the moment, but they have an ephemeral quality to them, like a dream. And if we don't write them down, we forget them. So writing them down, recording them, of course, whatever we pay attention to, grows, and I, I think that's probably the, the number one thing. Um, and also we think we need to make quiet time. We live in such a busy world and our intuitive time comes when we're relaxed. We're like a little bit more in the alpha brainwave state. We're in that sort of dreamy open, you're just watching the grass grow. Half, you're doing half asleep. Yeah. Half awake or, or really light trance like you're doing the dishes, you're driving, you're walking the dog like you're mowing the lawn, folding the laundry. These kind of in the tub. So many psychics get their best hits in the shower. You know, 'cause we're just in that. We switch into this sort of al the alpha brainwave state where we're problem solving creativity. Intuitive is highest. Running and walking. Yes. That's right. Yes. When I was, when I was running a lab with, uh, experiments in it, sometimes I didn't understand what I was seeing, and then I put on my jogging clothes and go out for a run and I'd say, I wonder what that is. And then I'd just let it go, and then the ideas started to flow in. So, yeah, that's it. Intuition is amazing that way. Totally. Yeah. So, I'd love to hear how Reiki fits into the picture for highly sensitive people. How learning or receiving reiki can help an empath maintain their energy and realign with their soul's purpose. I, recommend all empaths learn reiki, and for a couple reasons. One of them is that Reiki level one, we really focus on self-healing practices, so we learn energetic clearing practices, we learn energy management practices. We give ourselves reiki to help depleted or 'cause empaths often are tired. We lose energy really quickly. We, we have leaky energy fields and we, drain out our energy quickly. it's something you can do, anyone can do. It's so easy to learn. It's such a beautiful practice and that self reiki practice can just start to fluff up your energy field and increase your vitality, Um, so I just think for those things it's super powerful. And then of course, receiving reiki. It's a healing, so deeply healing. So we let go of trauma as we bring our, we, we, have nervous system, regulation. We regulate our nervous system. We go into that relaxation response. We clear out feelings. And that when I first started receiving Reiki, I would just get on the table and cry. I would, and I don't know why. I'd be like, I don't even know why I'm crying, you know? That's great, just let it out! And then I, I did a lot of like emotional purging and clearing out all these stuck emotions that had just been stuck in my body and stuck in my system for so long. As empaths, we definitely need to be in a deep energetic flow. We need to have energy flowing through us. We need to have a daily practice for processing our own emotions. So whether that's journaling or tapping, I love tapping or self reiki or something. We're kind of on the daily clean. Like you brush your teeth, you wash your hair, you clean out your emotions. Like it's like that level of need we have so they don't stack up and pile up. Yeah. Call it energy hygiene. Yeah. Exactly, and, and emotional hygiene and nervous system hygiene, like all those things, they're the baseline level that we need, especially all humans do, but especially as sensitives. We need that because we'll just get all jammed up if we don't have that flow through us all the time. Exactly. So many introverts feel that visibility, like putting their work out there, leaves them feeling energetically exposed. How can they shield and ground themselves maybe what you call psychic self-defense while still showing up authentically and powerfully in the world. I feel I've really, really, really had to learn that myself, as my own, books sell more my business, Increases. I'm like, I, I just was at a conference speaking in front of a couple hundred people and I was practicing like, oh my, oh my God, I really have to do this. And every time I have a level up in my business, I have to level up my capacity to do that. And I first published my book. I was like, people are gonna be mean to me on Facebook or whatever. And, and of course they were, but sometimes, that fear that we can't do that prevents us from doing those things. Where really there's skills we can learn. And I, I loved the idea of psychic self-defense.'cause in my early days I was a martial artist and I studied martial arts because they didn't wanna be afraid. I didn't wanna, I love to travel. I didn't wanna be in the world and be afraid, right? So I got a black belt. And I think it's the same thing energetically, like as we ground, as we clear, as we learn that, when people have opinions about us or what we do, it's all projection. It's almost never about who we really are. It's almost always about that person and whatever's going on inside of them, yes, we can stop taking it. So personally, and I do cord cutting. So I cut cords. Like I, after that conference where I spoke in front of a couple hundred people, I went back stage and I grounded, I cleared, I cut cords, energetic cords with everybody that was connecting with my energy. I pulled my energy field in a little tighter. I went and walked outside in nature and kind of breathed and let it all go hug a tree and let it all go. And as we do those things, we can show up in the world. As we have confidence in our ourself to be able to handle that, I think we can expand. And if we don't, it's really hard to, we'll hold back. We'll sabotage, we'll hold back our business. Even before I had a business, I gave 3000 lectures and talks and some Wow. With a thousand people in the room. Wow. but I, I had an assignment to talk about science. Right. It wasn't about me, but talking about ourselves and what we do, that's such a different thing because they can accept or not accept the science. Yeah, but accepting what we do and how we do it, that's really different. So it's really different. It, it takes, it takes practice. So I'm just saying that for people that are out there thinking, well, I know how to speak in front of people, but, but even if you know how, yeah, it's a whole different kettle of fish. You're totally right. And I think the fear of being rejected for our core soul essence is very strong. It's one thing if you're like, like you said, you're talking about science, but if you're really going into your deep core essence, like you are deepest souls who you are in sharing that with the world and then you get rejected, it's like, you know, it's really, you know? Yeah. It's like getting a divorce. That person has rejected your deepest self. Yes. And that's also very painful. Mm-hmm. And. It's usually not personal. It's almost never about who you are. It's almost not. I used to not wanna read my book reviews and 'cause sometimes they're harsh. Oh my God. They're so mean over there. In good reads, I'm just saying. Wow. And, um, one day I was reading one of those and I, I, I just had this flash of insight. I was like, this woman who's writing this really wants to write her own book. For whatever reason, she hasn't done that yet, and it's really hard to write a book. And I was like, oh, she wants to write her own book. then I just read, um, read them now and I'm like, well, go write your own gosh dang book. write your own book. That's how I think of them. Or this person really wants to write their own book. and I just stopped taking it personally, even if, even when it's mean. Well, a lot of the mean comments that I've gotten on my books are, are not even accurate. Like they'll say that wasn't in there and that wasn't in there. And I'm going, uh, page 57, right? My favorite. The people that give you a terrible review and they're like, I didn't even read this book. I didn't like the book cover. So paranormal or unexplained experiences can sometimes feel scary for sensitives. How can we understand these experiences through a spiritual lens and integrate them without fear? Yeah, I think we all, I can't say we all, but I sure did sort of grow up on a steady diet of horror movies and paranormal TV and especially as a psychic, 'cause I really started my, my life working as a psychic. I'm like, things don't end well for the poor psychic in the horror movie. it's not gonna go well. And I think we have that it's a demon, it's like a horrible ghost, evil ghost that's trying to kill you. It's a myth. It's not really how it is, and for the most part. And I've had paranormal experiences my whole life. Most of the time it's just people. People are people. And whether you're dead or you're alive, it's still a person, it's just a different form of a person. So for me, I was never really afraid of those things. I think letting go of the myth around the evil dead. We gotta let go of that. And I think also, understanding your boundaries. I think people have a little bit of a, it's all fun and games until it gets real. And then when it gets real, they're like, this just got real. And it, what does that mean for them? It shakes the foundation of their worldview. And I think that can be really unsettling for people. I think that's the key. They're shaking the foundations of their reality. Like they, yeah, didn't know. Like, for me, when I first discovered it.

like my grandfather died when. I was eight and I always felt him around. I always felt like he was a protective energy around me. And I, I dream about him sometimes, even though, he spoke only Greek. I was helping teaching him English because I'm bilingual in Greek among other languages. But, so it always felt like that. But then when I experienced not nice spirits. And how one of them attacked me and ran into me and I could feel the force and my whole energy field tingled and I'm going, oh, that's interesting. So what I tell people, and myself included is that, we're super women on this, on the spiritual side. We're super women. We control like 38 to 40 trillion cells in our body that have 9 trillion reactions in each cell every day. That's how much power we command. So we're super people. I love that. I think that's beautiful. We are the ones that have power here, and they don't have power here. They're just, they're in another dimension is really what's going on, and we're having peeks into that dimension or having some moments of crossover, where our dimensions are crossing over so we can experience them in a tangible way. some people are not nice people, and if you were a jerk in real life, you might be a jerk as a ghost, like death. death may not improve your personality very much. but I'm like, well, am I afraid, afraid of walking down the street and running, running into a mean person? Not really. And to me it's kind of the same thing and a good boundary. The boundary, whether the person is living or dead or whatever they are; if we have the boundary, then that's where we need to, we lean back into. What if you could recommend just one daily practice to keep our energy clean, clear, and vibrant, even on the busiest days, what would it be? Going outside bare feet. Yeah, that's awesome. Going outside, putting your feet on the ground. Go outside, get your bare feet on the ground. I live in New England so I can, I can only do that, eight months outta the year. But I have a grounding mat under my desk, so I think really making strong connection with the earth. I think meditation, I think breathing. I Living a clean, healthy lifestyle, drink water, eat some vegetables, meditate, deal with your stress. all living a good, clean, healthy life will really do a lot to keep our energy strong. Our energy fields gets weakened by poor sleep, stress, worry, foods with a lot of chemicals in it. And we know that weakens us, right? So breathe. Connect with the earth, meditate. it's not complicated. It's really what you think it is. Yeah. it is actually pretty simple. So I just like to ask everybody, what does alignment mean to you? To me, that's a beautiful question. I, I don't think anyone's ever asked me that question on a podcast, so thanks for coming up with a new one. I think it's about aligning our, the needs of our physical body. So I think about physical. Emotional, mental, and spiritual. those are the four selves that mostly we're dealing with. And being in alignment is like. You are treating your body, with love and care and giving what you need. You're paying attention to your emotions. You're not stuffing them. You're, you're honoring them. You're feeling your feelings and you're feeling them in your body. Your thoughts are in alignment too. So you're working on clearing your thoughts, noticing when you have negative thinking, deciding whether or not you wanna believe that thought, and then aligning with your true, your spiritual self. Like when all those parts of ourselves are on the same page, we're in alignment. And when we have it in our conflict, which we often do 'cause we're humans, sitting down with those four cast of characters and be like, okay, how can we negotiate, how can we come to an agreement that the whole system is getting basically what it needs. Right. And I think that's really what it is. Being your true self. Yes. Like showing up in your true self, not with your mask on, being who you think people want you to be, but being authentically you. so you have a, a free gift for people that are listening. Could you describe it? Yes. And think the link will be in the show notes for people that are curious. Yeah. I think the one, the good one for this group would be, I have a, a four video series on managing your energy if you're an empath. And we just go into all the things we've been talking about. It has the practices we talked about, the ground, clear, protect, practices. How to spot an energy vampire. How to handle your emotions on the daily. I think it would be beautiful for your people to have that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, Lisa, for being on. This has been such an enlightening and empowering conversation and I'm so pleased that you were able to come on and share your deep wisdom and your heart today. Uh, thank you. It was fun hanging out with you and Percy today. Thank you so much for having me on the show. You're most welcome. Thank you for listening to break Free from the Burnout. You'll find resources and show notes like Lisa's free program on energy management for empaths on our website at breakfreefromtheburnout.com. Until next time, I am Dr. Anastasia Chopelas, sending you Golden healing, light and success vibes on your journey to becoming an entrepreneur who is aligned, confident, and prosperous. Your gifts are so needed in this world.