Have you ever wondered if true healing, lasting, empowering, soul, deep healing could come not from a prescription pad, but from within your own breath, your own movement and your own mindset. What if pain, illness or emotional struggle weren't roadblocks, but invitations to deeper awareness and vitality? In my conversation with Sifu Boggy, we explore what it really means to heal from the inside out. With over 40 years in the Taoist Arts, Qigong, and self-healing, Sifu shares insights that are simple, powerful, and surprisingly playful from turning pain into power to the science, beyond breath, movement, and mindset. This episode is packed with wisdom that can shift how you view your body, your energy, and your potential to heal. So take a breath and let's dive in. Welcome to Helping Healers Succeed. This is for you if you felt the call to heal to make a real difference in people's lives, but you also know that turning your gift into a thriving sustainable career can feel overwhelming. You're listening to Dr. Anastasia Chopelas, A physicist turned energy healer. Your guide with tips, stories, and interviews for building and growing a successful healing practice with confidence and ease using practical strategies, science-based insights and inspiration to help you increase your impact and income without burning out. Be sure to subscribe to my channel so you don't miss any of the upcoming valuable information in store for you. Welcome back. Today's guest, Sifu Boggie has spent over 40 years mastering the Daoist Arts, qigong and self-healing practices that defy conventional wisdom. In addition, his path has been anything but conventional from working as A close protection officer for embassies and FT 500 companies to becoming a police community support officer for the London Met to becoming a skilled baker and pastry chef. His journey is a testament to the DAOs principle of adaptability and flow. It's so great to have you on the show, Sifu. I'm really looking forward to our conversation. Me too. so many healers started with something else in mind. Right. So what first drew you to the Daoist Arts, and how has your journey shaped your perspective on self-healing? I started off, as a kid I wouldn't know for many years, not until I was in my thirties, but as a kid, I actually was, dyslexic. slight, slight traits of autism. So I was a bit, I was different, different to the average. and I saw things in a different way. And I got picked on a lot at at school, bullied at school. And because I was getting bullied at school, I ended up doing a martial art. The particular martial art I was lucky to find, actually had meditation in it, which I really loved, like, because it was part of the, that particular art was meditation and then from that led to, they had adjudicators come to, to do the belt testing. And one of the adjudicators that came studied the dau the way., the path, the balance. That's what Dao means or Tao sometimes, because it can be spelt with D or a T. he studied the, he was a Shaolin master and he also studied the Daoist arts too. he saw something in me and he said to, to my, my, uh, parents at the time, I would very much like to, to teach your son. and it started from there. So from being like picked on at school and like bullied, I learned how to protect myself, but I actually learned it. For me, it was more about learning how to stop pain. So like when they hit me, it just wouldn't hurt and.' cause I didn't really like the idea of fighting back, but I wanted to fight back in a different way. So as they hit me, it didn't hurt. And because it didn't hurt, they'd get bored and, and they would give up. And then, so for me, it was a brilliant strategy because they tried to fight me. It didn't work. So they'd leave me alone. From that I learned that you can turn off pain, that you can actually stop things from hurting. And there was a line, my sifu's always said before in martial arts, before you, you should learn to kill. As in the fighting you should learn to heal. So the healing side was taught almost straightaway and in the Eastern arts, martial arts, martial being, practice and art the flow, is is the understanding of the art. So martial arts is not actually about fighting, though we think a lot in the modern day in the west. We think that's what it's about. It's actually about learning about yourself. the martial arts are way different when you study them from the far eastern perspective compared to, I mean, it's just like, voodoo. Voodoo is actually a healing art, but the movies all make it look terrible. there's a lot of that I, I, I found, you know, is like, there's an old simple saying, you know, never read a book by its cover. I ha have to say the way you describe yourself, the. The getting bullied. I think all of us that are a little bit off the beaten track have gotten bullied in school. I got bullied too because I was different So your life path is incredibly diverse, martial arts, healing, law enforcement, even baking. How have these experiences influenced your approach to teaching and healing? Well they're almost intertwined, you know, is the Dao philosophy. The thing in that arts, they have what's called the three m's. So you have martial, medical and meditation. So within the arts, you know, if you learn fighting, you learn the healing and you learn the meditation. And what they taught me is that everything's interconnected. the baking actually came first. I left, uh, school at 16. I would, and I was gonna do baking and originally I did baking because I wanted to be an actor and I had this cunning plan that being a baker meant I worked early in the morning and then I would have, I would be able to do auditions during the day. So that was my cunning plan, but I was also like. Studying martial arts and my, my, sifu's, one of them is, well two brothers, one was the very much on the fighting side, but did all the other stuff and one was very much on the healing side and did all the other stuff and Po, the healing brother. He said, yeah, you want to be a baker. Excellent. Bakers make good masseuse because kneading the bread actually is the same as doing the muscles. I learned everything I did had a different application somewhere else. So the understanding was, is that everything you do enhances and affects everything else you do. So it, it doesn't sound like they're all, interconnected. Yeah. But the more you look or, you know, you say one that ice skating's great for philosophy and great for psychology. And somebody will go, how's that? Well. You are standing on a blade. You are constantly balancing on this blade on the ice. Now, if you are scared and tense, it will reflect within the movements. your movements will be more wobbly. And if you fall over and you are scared of falling over, it's gonna hurt more. But if you are relaxed and you go with the flow, then you are less likely to fall over. And if you do fall over, it doesn't hurt. That spreads out into so many different things. Well, leads into epigenetics as well. Oh, this whole understanding. Oh, I love that analogy. Well, I'm the walking oxymoron. I'm a healer, but I spent 40 years as a scientist in the lab. So people go, how do you reconcile that? But it's all connected, right? just, like you said, so many people view healing as external, going to doctors or seeking treatments, and you emphasize self-healing, which is why I wanted you on the show is how do you guide people into unlocking their own ability to heal? it's the simple fact. I just wanted to like say about, like you being a scientist, there's, there's a thing called the dragon dog shaman. And, and Daoism in general, even Einstein that once said that magic, it's just science. Not yet understood that everything, when we go deeper and deeper into it. There are things like In quantum physics, there are things where, where you actually look at quantum physics, the Daoists were talking about it using a slightly different metaphor but they were talking about the same thing Sliding back to your actual question, is that because everything's interconnected? I love the whole idea of epigenetics, is that the way you think and feel affects your physical health. So when you get people to understand that the way you think and feel, the way you move, the way you even breathe are all interconnected and that we have far more power to help ourselves. than people realize, and you've just got to like, understand the study of the placebo effect. is that, well with the placebo is that you are given something that you, think is real. but it's gonna be a, a sugar, tablet or something. and they do that with operations as well in the medical profession, you don't know that is not real. You believe it's real. And they have found within the placebo effect that about 70% of people, who are taking the placebo actually get, um, slightly to moderately better or, or even more. And because the ability to heal is, it's genetically within us, we actually have. Very strong, ability to, to heal. And what Qigong does, it works on that same principle. one of the things I do, the grandfather, Tai Chi, Qigong, and it works on that principle. It makes you feel better. And when it makes you feel better, your muscles relax. the blood, flow increases, and The, healing abilities, your body increases and you actually start feeling better and you start healing better. So it's, it's this whole idea and within Taoism is a thing called the Barefoot Doctor. The Barefoot Doctor were practitioners who taught you how to heal you, and one of the biggest things they talk about is that. tension and stagnation lead to illness. So if you are stiff and, and, and tense and scared or angry, all that tension is held into your body and it slows the body down and it starts to break the body down. Yeah. It, it creates what we call blocks. Right. And I love that you brought in that placebo effect. People say placebo, like it's a bad thing, but it isn't. It's, it a actually does teach us that the body knows how to heal if it's given that knowledge that you're healing now, even if it's a sugar pill. for me, it's almost that Einstein's saying of, oh, it's magic. You know, it, it's science not yet Understood. Placebo, when you fully understand about the placebos is somebody's belief mechanism is that strong. And we know in psychology, like, well, we know for example, they've done it with, runners, with sports people. They've got them to sit down, sitting in the chair and they've got the measures on them and they Tell them to imagine getting ready for a run and doing all, doing everything they would do for that run. And so they're sitting there, but they're imagining, and their heart rate starts to increase. The muscles that they would be using running starts to increase. And they did this in many different professions. And what they basically, the information came back was that the mind can't tell the difference between what you imagine and what is real, right. Which is the placebo So your belief is so strong that it can make your muscles think you are going for a run. Your belief is so strong that it can make, you know, make a sugar pill actually be medicine. You know, our belief is that powerful. We are that powerful that we can actually heal ourselves, but we dismiss that. Oh no, we can't be that powerful. You know, we are giving the power away where it's time that we need to actually take that power back. In fact, brain scans show that when you imagine yourself, whatever it is you're imagining, like when I ran races, I would just imagine the air coming into my lungs and my legs and arms pumping and that I wasn't giving up and I ran my best races when I did that. But they show with brain scans, that it shows that it actually does look just like you are doing the run. It's fantastic and I love that you brought up epigenetics and imagining it because epigenetics have been new studies, like I live here in the Los Angeles area at UCLA where I went to school for many years, did a study on relationships and people in happy relationships are shown epigenetically are in better shape, epigenetically, that all of the bits and pieces are aligning to live longer, so yes. it does there's a thing called the the jing effect or the love effect, or which is that when you are in love and I think, I think, Dr. Bruce, Lipton, um, who also studied Bruce. Yeah. Dr. Bruce Lipton. Yes. Yeah. And, uh, and he did the one about the love theories that when you are in love, your rubbish journey to work's a little less rubbish and your horrible boss is a little less horrible because you are, you know, you, you have that feelings of love and you are, you are in that energy and you are raising, your, the endorphins and whatnot, all kicking in and, and everything's a little bit less, less as bad. The way your mood literally affects how you act, and react to a situation. Yeah. So Daoistically, we do that called the jing effect. The love effect is even the simple act of smiling, right? Just the simple act of smiling. If you're just sitting there, just sit up straight and smile and see how much better you feel. Very much so. And there's, there's even one, so within, you have the sacred sounds and one of the sacred sounds. So the sacred sound for the heart I've always found really interesting because it's technically a laugh. And what I mean is the sacred sound for the heart is hara. So it's ha And so we know like, For, for many people, we think the heart are. The heart is, you know, that, you know where your love is, your compassion is. And so the ha sound is raising the vibration of the heart. But then you can do it in short bursts called the drunken Ha. So it's ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha. Until you end up laughing, there is, other styles like laughing yoga, which is the same sort of thing, is that you can actually create, an energy just by flipping things. And I just very quickly want to say there's another one, like if you are very nervous or worried in tension, it's called the look up. And is literally by looking upwards. You breathe from the belly, breathe in, let your belly expand, breathe out, pull your belly in, which is called belly breathing. So it's opening up the diaphragms for the, and at the same time you're looking upwards. And then looking up, they say, right drain the monkey brain. So they call the full brain. In the Eastern philosophy, it's called the monkey mind, and they always point to the, the front of the head. And we know in psychology it's round about 60 to 90,000 thoughts every single day in the full brain. And so the act of looking up is said to actually drain the fluid. So if you are very stressed and and overthinking by looking up, you are actually start to drain the fluid down the back of the neck and back down into the body. And I've taught this to a lot of people suffering anxiety, stress, and have panic attacks. And the belly breathing and that looking up technique seems to work for them very well. Wow, that's really valuable insight. I'd never thought about that. I do the belly breathing all the time, but this, yeah, it makes a difference. It feels like everything is lighter afterwards. I was just gonna say that's, that's the art of Daoism. It, it's childlike, the, the everything is a little bit playful, a little bit childlike. And it should be simple. adults that make things complicated. Yes. They, they do. We wanna go back. Yeah. We, we go back to being a child, or maybe that's just me. Yeah. Well that's why we have grandchildren, to remind us to be kids again. I, uh, walk my grandson to school every morning and we have these conversations and they're so adorable because it reminds me of being young again and curious and fun. So what are some of the most common misconceptions about Qigong and how do you help people see its relevance in modern life? So there's a few. One, one of the best ones is that, very young people think it's for the very old. And they're very old. Think it's for, they're very young and they're very busy. Say, say, oh, that's for people have loads of time. and you know, the, the thing with Qigong, Qigong is for everybody. Not everybody thinks it's for them. And if you've heard of Tai Chi, you've heard of Qigong. So Qigong is like the grandfather of Tai Chi or. Qigong was music. Then Tai Chi would be a style of music. It would be classical music. And there are, so the Qigong is very simple and it can adapt to a situation. And if you suffer headaches or bad back or stress or you want to improve your, your backhand in tennis, there really is a Qigong pretty much for everything and ways to adapt. and then like people do it in a way that they don't understand The word Qigong means breath work and working with breath. So you don't just do the movements or just breathe. You do both together because if you just randomly breathe and do movements, you are doing exercise. But if you've got breathe in, let the hands expand and let the belly expand. Breathe out, let the hands drop down and pull the belly in. Breathe in. And breathe out. And so when we do movements and depending on the movements, when you're breathing in, you tend to be expanding outwards. And when you breathe out, you tend to expand inwards. And so the Qigong movements, whatever movements you do, they work with the breath that you work with. it's the breath that does the movements from the other way around, meaning, so if you've got a short breath. Then the movement will be a little bit quicker. But your goal is eventually is like you slow the breath down and the more you slow the breath down, the more you slow the movements down and the movement and the breathing actually balance each other, and it actually has effect on all the, systems of the body. So the nervous system, all the different, systems start to actually balance. And they've done. Uh, case studies with this, that doing these movements with the breath actually starts to regulate the heart. It improves the central nervous system, and it does all these things that, that, uh, balance the body. And the biggest thing is people look at it and think, oh, it's too hard or it's too complicated. And it's just, just do one thing. Just do one thing. Start with that. Then do the next thing. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. Well, I. I can't believe people think it's that hard. There's a park nearby that I walk through every morning and we have a big Asian contingency in the neighborhood, and all of these people of all ages were out there doing movements. these movements just like you're showing and just like you're describing the breathing and the standing still and all of that, breathing in and out, and it looks like it's really fun to do and easy. It's just like yoga. You don't have to make it like you're lifting a hundred pounds. You can just do a simple movement and it does the job. yeah, it is really simple to do those exercises and those movements, and it's just allowing, I think people just, don't think they have time. And it's one thing, it, it's one of my fun challenges, I say practice, uh, 15 minutes a day is a good amount to do. Like we, we know in psychology that if you practice anything for 15 minutes a day over a six to nine week period, it becomes a habit. And more importantly, you get what's called muscle memory and your body starts to remember those movements and you get that general effect. And people say, I don't have 15 minutes. It. I know I can find 15 minutes in your day because there will be times where you are sitting there wondering what to do or waiting for the kettle or holding a remote in your hand, thinking, oh, what will I watch? Or staring out a window. So I always know I can, I can definitely find five minutes and if I can find five, I can find 15, even if I have to do it separately. But it's this thing, we just, push things away because they're different. And a lot of people think it's somebody else's responsibility to fix me, but you've got yourself in this situation. whatever, your health level right now, you got yourself there. You can get yourself out of there. You can improve it and enhance it. And it's just about doing a little bit and building it up and. I, I have to agree with that. And I also, don't take medication. I exercise still up to two hours a day and I'm 72, so I don't feel 72. I don't act 72, and I can still do a lot of the things that I could do 30, 40 years ago. So I think that you're really right about. Attitude and self-healing.'cause I believe that I'm going to live a long time. I believe that I'm going to be healthy that whole time. and I do all the actions to make that happen. And. What you're saying is true. So we've touched on epigenetics already, that your thoughts, movement and emotions influence your wellbeing, and we've already covered that, but you've worked with so many people. Can you share a transformational story that stands out? I've been doing it for 40 years as a couple. I think a good one. So there was a gentleman who is ninety six years old, His wife had had passed away just about a year before, and his daughter, had been learning Qigong with me for, about a couple of years, I think it was. and she came to me and she said, is there anything you can do do for, you know, for my dad? You know, He may be too old to learn. And it's like, no. You can stop right there, but is there anything you can do? And I went there and I've actually been working in, residential homes, for many, many years. And so I'm very used to having people. Who, can hardly walk or not walk at all. And we, we would do exercises starting off and seated and doing exercises here and then eventually getting them to stand up. And we had this great game, with people where we'd have a, Mrs. Higgins who, who was at, 87 and she would stand up and do an exercise. And then we'd have behind her, her comfy sofa. And she said, if your legs feel a bit weak, just drop back. And she'd go, oh, oh dear, I've fallen over again. And it'll be like a little game that, some of the people would play. so we started off this gentleman. at 96. It started off doing the exercises, not standing up, seated. And then, within a year we got him to start standing up and more and more and more. he passed away 106. So he, he went from, at 96, hardly could walk. Really? he told me a few years later that he'd given up, his wife had passed and he, he was ready to go. Um, but we got him into Qigong, got him into the movements and, and he was just doing a little bit every day. And like I say, he passed away 10 years later at, at 106, so at ninety six years old. That's my oldest student. And he wasn't running marathons, but he was definitely a lot fitter and he was a lot stronger and a lot more able bodied and he definitely was a lot happier. In the last 10 years of his life because we've stick things out. I think it's a good one. Well, yes. I mean, psychologists will say you can't be in motion moving and be depressed. Hmm. It makes a big difference If you don't feel good, just go outside and take a walk. It'll make a big difference in your mood. And I can imagine that doing then directed movements like Qigong, that it stimulates the meridians in just the right way to open up things for you, right? Yeah, a hundred percent. And, there's evidence in science that's saying that the, the T cells, so the cells in the body that can regenerate into anything, they still exist within the body. So the body can still repair itself, still heal or at whatever age you are, but it's just they didn't know, or originally they didn't know how to activate them. But now all I can have genetics, they're now seeing that the body can actually restrengthen itself, regrow. Through positivity and through that feeling. and as you said, I've had this a lot, um, over the last 40 years where somebody would say, I didn't tell you this Sifu, but I had PTSD, just a couple years ago I had cancer. All these different things and say, and, and I feel a lot better and or, or it's gone away or, that illness that seems to have gone in remission or, or disappeared. How, how did you know? And I said, I didn't have a Scooby, I didn't a Scooby do, I didn't have a clue and I don't need to because the Qigong knows itself. It knows you, you're learning, your body knows you. And the whole idea is that. These things will help you. Now I can teach you a thousand Qigongs . I know a thousand Qigongs. I can teach you these things, and that's awesome. But I'll also say, whatever you love, do that. like people who love fishing will say, oh yeah, go fishing. And all my problems disappear. and a couple of hours feels like minutes. And it's like you were doing a meditation. No, I wasn't. I was fishing. No, that when you focus on one thing and forget everything else, whether it's sitting there going om, or fishing, or even sewing or knitting. for me, it's painting, right? I have some of my paintings behind me, but yes, when I go, painting or writing a book or anything like that, anything creative, it takes you out of your daily, whatever it is, and you forget everything. That's very, very healing, very soothing, Indeed and the, and the difference is when the Qigong aspect is relaxing the body as you do it. So as you are doing those things, just breathing and relaxing and moving, anybody who knows me knows I never sit still. even, right now I'm actually sitting on a yoga ball. So I'm on a yoga ball. So that's why if you see me moving and, but what this does, it allows my hips to open up. It allows me to move, and I'm still regulating my movement, which allows your body to release tension. the videos I've seen of you, you're always moving in 'em. I don't sit, well, I can sit still. I do sit still. when I was a close protection officer, I, I had to sit still and, and as a police community support officer, there were times definitely I would sit still, but then you move internally and that just means I'm breathing in moving the body outwards, moving out and relaxing. So I just move in a different way. but moving is vital. as kids we were told stop fidgeting, but then they learned later on that actually the act of fidgeting helps release tension within the body and the organs. So fidgeting is actually a good thing. Yeah, I have a lot of ADD in my family and one brother, he fidgets moves and talks and he says if he doesn't do that, he gets tense. I have to say, just in this conversation, I can see that you describe yourself as a guide rather than a master. And, I can see that of you. But what does that distinction mean to you? And how does it shape your approach to teaching? if you look up on Google, the word sifu. Sifu it says master of martial arts. And you have the word sensei, which is very much master, but actually in Chinese. The word Sifu is parent and learning, so it's a parent or guide and, and learning. And, and so for me it's as a muse, as a guide. Bruce Lee once said it, it, he said this down is saying, which is, it's like the finger pointing towards the moon. Do not look at the finger because you'll miss all that heavenly glory. The finger is Sifu as a teacher I'm just helping you along the path I'm learning with you, and it means a couple of things. Like for one, I never take myself or anything else too seriously. I. I'm very passionate about what I do, but for some people, you must listen to what I say and I'm right and you are wrong. And for me, that's very opposing opposites. I don't necessarily think there is a good or bad as such. Everything's learning, even an illness is a, a cure waiting to happen. that illness is teaching you. You are stagnant. Do something about it so you, you learn to recover. on this journey to help people help themselves. and that's very much as a barefoot doctor, as a ?? Shaman.

my job is to give people enough information for them to figure out themselves and do it themselves. And even to the point where, like I say, it's that, yeah, for me, Qigong worked and Chinese massage and the Reiki, and. They all worked. They might not work for you, but figure out what does you know is that if I'm not a Sifu as in a Qigong or, or as in teaching you directly, I try to be a Sifu is helping you indirectly figure out that's what we are here to do, is to figure out what works for us and grow. So it's more about I'm more guide. I'm more like to help people rather than tell them what to do because I can't tell you what to do because I'm not you. Yes, exactly. I really love that. I really appreciate that of you that you're helping because I've had, healing teachers that were just like, you described, do it my way or the highway, and I go, oh, that's not very healing, is it? And there is a lot of that there. There definitely is a lot. one of the Daoist philosophies that I practice, and training is The Barefoot Doctor. The Barefoot Doctor was traditionally, was a woman. The, there were a few, uh, males and they, the barefoot meant that they would travel from place to place, and because they traveled from place to place, they would look after so many villages. And because they looked after more than one village. Their goal was to teach you to help yourself because that way you weren't relying on them. and that's always been my thing is that, the exercises I teach they not only energize you and, and help you, but they also diagnostic tools. Meaning like, so you do an exercise one day and if it's fine and the next day, oh, I feel a bit stiff, or it's telling you what's wrong, it's telling you there's an issue there. And, my goal is to help you figure it out for yourself. And I think we've grown up in a society that wants to say, there's a specialist for this and specialist for that. And you must listen to them. We grew up going to school and you must listen to the teachers. I used to get told off all the time 'cause I would actually say, but what about this? I had actually taught a teacher a couple of things when I was a kid, I remember one very well was they heard of the kiwi bird. And I said, oh, there's a fruit. Don't be silly Brighton. There's not a fruit called a kiwi. So the next day, my mom, one of the fruits she liked was kiwi. So I got one from my mom and said, that's a kiwi. And so I taught a teacher think out the box, you know, and understand. And so I've always been that. The biggest thing I want to teach you is to look outside the box because when you look out, a lot of painting, a beautiful painting, I only look at that much. I'm seeing a beautiful patch, but I'm missing all the glory. So by looking back, by leaning back, you get to see the whole painting, and that's your life, And that's, that's all your answers that you need just look up. Just lean back a little bit more and look at the bigger picture, you'll find the answers that you're looking for. Yeah. It reminds me of, when, digital photography was pretty young, right around the turn of the century, 19 99, 2001, there were some people that, they called it the Gigapixel Project, where they would. Put all of these images together to create a very detailed image. And then you could zoom in and zoom in and zoom in and still see detail, and then zoom out, and zoom out and zoom out and then see the big picture. That kind of reminds me of that. That was the immediate image I got. So if someone listening today wants to take one immediate step toward better energy flow and self-healing, what would you recommend? First? So the belly breathing technique, breathe in, let the belly expand, breathe out, and pull the belly in. And with that comes a philosophy. And the philosophy is if your breaths are shallow and fast and erratic, your thoughts, your feelings will be shallow, fast, and erratic. But if your breath is slow and smooth and flowing, your thoughts and your feelings will become the same. So the way you breathe affects the way you feel and affects how you do. So focus on the breath. where can our listeners connect with you and learn more about your work? So you can find me on, on Instagram, on Facebook, on YouTube at, Sifu Boggie, but also my websites, and or my video platform. I have interactive, classes. My school, which is videos, but we also do live classes as well. It's on ShunDao dot uscreen dot io. I'll put all that on the show notes so people can, when they're listening in or when they're watching a video, that'll all be there so they can see where to connect with you. And is there anything you'd like in particular to promote? so the Shundao School, if Netflix and Facebook had a baby, it would be uscreen, it's this, idea of, all these videos. And then you also have a community based structure. And I'm, as you probably guess, I'm very interactive. I like the Dao, I like to flow and go with the flow. We have live classes and then we have the recorded lessons. But if you leave a comment on the lesson saying, Sifu, what, what was that? Or, I suffer from bad back. You've got a Qigong for that. The next live I do or the next lesson I do, I'll go, oh, Joe asked this. And so we are very interactive. The goal is to be very interactive, and so we have different, levels. I'd say we've got four live classes a week and we do Qigong energy exercise. We do Neigong, which is, if Qigong and Yoga had a baby, it would be Neigong, so it's stretching yoga with balance and and breath. We also do Shen Gong, which is Qigong meditation and then we do a thing called Dragon Dog. Shaman reiki, which is Chinese Reiki, so slightly different style to the standard reiki. And because it has that Qigong in it and it also has sacred sound. you'll find different things and there's lots Qigong out there. But I come from a different slog. I come from a different slot to the average Qigong practitioner. I can see that you've wrapped up so many different healing modalities into one, because different people are affected in different ways and some like sound healing and I like producing my own sounds. So Sifu, thank you so much for sharing your perspective and unique journey. I look forward to hearing the perspectives of the people that are going to listen to it. So thank you so much. Thank you. You're welcome. Don't forget to give this podcast a thumbs up or five star rating. 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